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jbglock wrote: ↑May 10th, 2020, 6:29 am My example...

This example went for practically nothing at auction. As a pocket watch no one wanted it. I see 6497/6498 pocket watches going so cheap it amazes me. As a wristwatch it has a new life. I see this as people saving these watches.

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hako wrote: ↑May 11th, 2020, 11:16 pm When you go to Perezcope‘s blog you will find a timeline from early Cortebert to today’s 6497 which seems to be plausible.

djolemag wrote: ↑May 12th, 2020, 1:29 am There is some weird relationship between Cortebert and Unitas. Cortebert was top invention company with huge line up of various in-house calibers. Pitty it does not exists any more. Hence, general layout (except bridges shape) of cort 6xx family and unitas 85/285 and 497/649x is pretty much similar. More less, it even looks like cortebert provided ebauches to unitas for that purpose...
Just assuming..

And why that relationship should be Cortebert -> Unitas, but not Unitas -> Cortebert, which, if at all, might be more plausible?

djolemag wrote: ↑May 12th, 2020, 3:20 am

And why that relationship should be Cortebert -> Unitas, but not Unitas -> Cortebert, which, if at all, might be more plausible?

Why do you think it would be more plausible ?
Cortebert was one of the most inventing company of that time, so in that terms, Cortebert seems much more as "meister" to Unitas than vice verse.... Especially if we look at roots and tradition, since Cortebert is founded in 1790, right? Disclaimer: it is just mine personal opinion
Mistery about similarity of Cortebert 727 and UT 285, same as Cortebert 736 <=> UT 6431 is still unsolved, in terms who is father and who is son... Common sense says that Cortebert as old vendor of pocket watches had more resources to produce ebauche to Unitas. On the other hand, economic logic says that Cortebert cut expenses by making specific orders from Unitas.... We all know about Cortebert pocket watches with Unitas 6497/8 and 6431/6445 movements...

Keyless work is not so important in that comparison, it is usually different in much more similar models from same vendor and in same family of movements...

My point of view is that Cortebert somehow "payed a debt" after WW2 for being in tight cooperation with Italy, through Perseo brand etc. More to add, we are all aware of similarity of Molnia and Cortebert movements, which 'strangely' occurs after WW2... so it could be a part of "war damage". Maybe Soviet Union just took machines or copycat movement (Cort 620) or it is done through some other sort of "cooperation", who knows...
There are rumors that Cortebert records vanished in fire during 1950, symptomatic?
Finally, Omega bought Cortebert in 1962, that is a weird fact I found recently somewhere on web...

mountaineer wrote:

djolemag wrote: ↑May 12th, 2020, 3:20 am

And why that relationship should be Cortebert -> Unitas, but not Unitas -> Cortebert, which, if at all, might be more plausible?

Why do you think it would be more plausible ?
Cortebert was one of the most inventing company of that time, so in that terms, Cortebert seems much more as "meister" to Unitas than vice verse.... Especially if we look at roots and tradition, since Cortebert is founded in 1790, right? Disclaimer: it is just mine personal opinion
Mistery about similarity of Cortebert 727 and UT 285, same as Cortebert 736 <=> UT 6431 is still unsolved, in terms who is father and who is son... Common sense says that Cortebert as old vendor of pocket watches had more resources to produce ebauche to Unitas. On the other hand, economic logic says that Cortebert cut expenses by making specific orders from Unitas.... We all know about Cortebert pocket watches with Unitas 6497/8 and 6431/6445 movements...

Keyless work is not so important in that comparison, it is usually different in much more similar models from same vendor and in same family of movements...

My point of view is that Cortebert somehow "payed a debt" after WW2 for being in tight cooperation with Italy, through Perseo brand etc. More to add, we are all aware of similarity of Molnia and Cortebert movements, which 'strangely' occurs after WW2... so it could be a part of "war damage". Maybe Soviet Union just took machines or copycat movement (Cort 620) or it is done through some other sort of "cooperation", who knows...
There are rumors that Cortebert records vanished in fire during 1950, symptomatic?
Finally, Omega bought Cortebert in 1962, that is a weird fact I found recently somewhere on web...

My mind initially went to the economic logic and war disruption, regarding the transition to the Cortebert 727.