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hako wrote:Ahh, never looked at the WL in this way. Very interesting hypothesis. Indeed, hard to understand why you should continue to develop a 3646 once you have a case with proper lugs and a CG.
What puzzled me most is the placement of the 2533 dial.
I was always under the impression that this belonged to the earliest dials in the first place. In fact, Perezcope mentions in one of his IG posts that he believes that the Vacheron Dealer Panerai modeled it on a very early VC Disco Volante:

Some say it would be a good way to get rid of unused stock.

Sounds very Paneraish to me.

kilowattore wrote:Once agreed that Richemont isnt reliable, I think we can all have our say and consider it "right"
The 2533 is a puzzle yes... maybe an early sandwich prototype?

It could be a late redesign of the original "3 6 9 12" sandwich dial in order to reduce the glow in the dark area of the lume. That way it would be less noticeable for enemy patrols.

Emilio wrote: ↑September 16th, 2018, 6:03 am

hako wrote:Ahh, never looked at the WL in this way. Very interesting hypothesis. Indeed, hard to understand why you should continue to develop a 3646 once you have a case with proper lugs and a CG.
What puzzled me most is the placement of the 2533 dial.
I was always under the impression that this belonged to the earliest dials in the first place. In fact, Perezcope mentions in one of his IG posts that he believes that the Vacheron Dealer Panerai modeled it on a very early VC Disco Volante:

Some say it would be a good way to get rid of unused stock.

Sounds very Paneraish to me.

kilowattore wrote:Once agreed that Richemont isnt reliable, I think we can all have our say and consider it "right"
The 2533 is a puzzle yes... maybe an early sandwich prototype?

It could be a late redesign of the original "3 6 9 12" sandwich dial in order to reduce the glow in the dark area of the lume. That way it would be less noticeable for enemy patrols.

Possible. But if that was the case then why going back to 3-6-9 design for later 6152/1?

hako wrote: ↑September 13th, 2018, 9:52 am What‘s your opinions on this?

I think he's taken information from discussions several of us have had, both publicly and privately, regarding the research we've done over the years, and presented it as his own independent research. On the other hand, he put a lot of effort on the presentation, so good for him there.

Anyway, on the subject of California dials, if I were to speculate, IMHO they're later era transit dials (for the thinner 3646 types) that Panerai intended to replace with their own dials once they were received, and that's probably what they did for most of them. The box of unused California dials that was known to be in the stock of Old Panerai around the time of the Cartier transition is a good indicator of this.

On the baton "2533" dial, I agree that it's a later experimental dial, but we've been saying that for years. It probably replaced a warped rivet dial that came out of Ferretti's 2533. I'm curious about how many of the baton dials there actually are (I've only seen the 2533 and the other 3646 that has one).

kilowattore wrote:

Emilio wrote: ↑September 16th, 2018, 6:03 am

hako wrote:Ahh, never looked at the WL in this way. Very interesting hypothesis. Indeed, hard to understand why you should continue to develop a 3646 once you have a case with proper lugs and a CG.
What puzzled me most is the placement of the 2533 dial.
I was always under the impression that this belonged to the earliest dials in the first place. In fact, Perezcope mentions in one of his IG posts that he believes that the Vacheron Dealer Panerai modeled it on a very early VC Disco Volante:

Some say it would be a good way to get rid of unused stock.

Sounds very Paneraish to me.

kilowattore wrote:Once agreed that Richemont isnt reliable, I think we can all have our say and consider it "right"
The 2533 is a puzzle yes... maybe an early sandwich prototype?

It could be a late redesign of the original "3 6 9 12" sandwich dial in order to reduce the glow in the dark area of the lume. That way it would be less noticeable for enemy patrols.

Possible. But if that was the case then why going back to 3-6-9 design for later 6152/1?

They didn't like it?

It appears to me that Perezcope did deeper research on this (and published his findings) than anybody else.
Well, also it is 6 years later now

One of the things I love about this hobby is that so much of the history is accompanied by myths, legends, or stories which could be told several different ways. Lots of facts and helpful information, but also stories like the origin of the California dial which change or have things added every few years.

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